Thursday, June 09, 2005

God hates fags

A quote from this Chron story about people from Kansas (yes, the state) picketing against gays in Central California: "Strip away their titles, and those churches are all talking about the same big lie," Phelps-Roper said, "that God loves anyone."

Um, maybe I'm mis-remembering what I learned in Sunday School, but isn't the big message of Christianity that God does love everyone?

7 comments:

Alek S. said...
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Peter Schrenk said...

This is the same crowd that protested at Matthew Shepherd's funeral. Kathy, these people obviously don't represent the mainstream of evangelical Christianity. They should be ignored just like any other kooks. Most Christians who believe that homosexuality is sinful do not believe that "God hates fags" or that homosexuals should be executed or imprisoned.

I do believe that if teachers are allowed to express moral opinions in favor of homosexuality, they should also be able to express opinions that homosexuality is immoral. Possibilities for discrimination you say? Would you rather have someone hide their opinions than let them out in the open?

Kathy Schrenk said...

If it's going to affect my kid, you're darn right they should shut their yap, whether they love fags or hate 'em.

Peter Schrenk said...

Okay, so you're consistent. I personally agree with you that discussions of the morality regarding something like sexuality are better left to parents than public schools. The reality today is that schools are largely used by those of a more liberal persuasion to indoctrinate students to a specific view of sexual morality. This does not serve a large portion of the population.

By the way, I had a student this past semester who was very outspoken about her homosexuality. She tried to draw me into conversation about it at times. I remained circumspect and I maintained a great relationship with her. She earned an A+. Your dichotomy of hating or loving "fags" is pretty ridiculous. Why is it so difficult to approach this issue without smearing those who actually love the sinner and hate the sin? Do you really think that Fred Phelps and I have anything in common?

Kathy Schrenk said...

Of course not, Peter. The relationship you describe with the student is exactly WJWD (what Jesus would do :-) ), and that's awesome.

It is too bad that the extreme freaks get all the attention. On some level I think it's almost easier for the general population to understand the pure hatred of the freaks than the kind of intellectual dislike for homosexuality you describe. Maybe it's kind of like hating smoking, but having friends who smoke? Is that a decent analogy?

As for schools, are educators across the country really mostly liberal? I would think they'd more-or-less reflect the local political learning...

Jack Mercer said...

Hmm...I think I have to hop into this one. At least with some food for thought.

WWJD? Well, its interesting what he DID do. When Jesus saw people sinning he plaited a whip and lit into them physically. He got thoroughly ticked and did something about it. Then there is that incident where he called a woman a dog--and that was just for being a gentile!

WWJD?

Peter Schrenk said...

Jack, Jesus' anger was not directed at those who were committing sin in their personal lives, it was directed at people who were desecrating God's House by swindling and taking advantage of God's Children. Not only that, but these people were impugning God's person by doing these things in the name of the religion he ordained. Context is important here.

The story you cite about Jesus calling a woman a dog is also given without proper cultural and textual context. This is dangerous.